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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 4, 2009 11:47 AM
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> What is the Census is to root out and remove
> illegal aliens?
> Would that get you to cooperate?
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> What is answering the Census gets your State or local
> Municipality much needed funding?
> Would you answer then?
No. The government doesn't need to take a Census to remove illegal aliens. There are plenty of other methods they can take to accomplish that without violating citizens' privacy. You can make the same argument you are making for far greater benefits than removing aliens. What if the government ordered you to donate a kidney to someone in need of one? That is the typical way government take away rights - with the feigned purpose of a higher good.
Come to think of it, wasn't the Patriot Act based on this very principle - that you can potentially violate a citizen's constitutional rights for the purpose of finding terrorists. If I remember right, the Left wasn't too keen on the idea.
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 4, 2009 11:49 AM
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I am ceaselessly amazed at how Left the Right has become
Most of the right wants less Government control and involvement in our lives. The want of a Smaller government is the hallmark of a true conservative.
I am all for deporting all people here illegally. But I would never allow the Government to go door to door checking citizenship.
I believe in all of the Bill of Rights
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 4, 2009 1:35 PM
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Yes they can come back, so thats why it is better to answer right away. What you better hope they dont do is come back and rob you later. They are casing the house while you are filling out the form. Thank goodness it is only every 10 years.
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM
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I love spunky old folks. I bet she'd tell that young whippersnapper a thing or two. My mother-in-law is like that. Great lady but stubborn as a mule.
Tim
Well, they are hanging onto their independence for dear life, and I don't blame them. Kudos to all elders who have spunk! :)
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 4, 2009 4:19 PM
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You are confusing the American Community Survey with the 2010 Decennial which will be 10 questions long. Your community is dependent on the info residents provide. Several of us responded to these comments/accusations in a another thread. Trust me, we are not casing your house to rob later. The info we type into the computer pretty much goes by us in blur. Personally, I have no interest in these details. And yes, I have done these interviews on car hoods in downpours. And, I have sat in rat infested trailers getting the interviews completed.
Re fines, there is no statute of limitations on the imposition of the $5000 min and 6 months of jail time.
Field reps for the American Community Survey are not temporary employees like the 2010 decennial enumerators. Most of us are only part-time and work several other jobs to make ends meet. We are more than willing to show our photo ids and our drivers license photos for matching purposes.
We do this job because we enjoy helping our communities receive much needed funding. Trust me, meeting acerbic individuals who meet us at the door with guns drawn is a frightening experience. Unwarranted when all we have done is knock on your door. Please see the other thread for details or check agencies who use ACS data (numbers only, your names are withheld for 72 yrs).
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 4, 2009 5:35 PM
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Yes at first I was confusing the American Community Survey with the 2010 Census because at the time wasn't aware there was any difference.
What concerns me is not so much answering the questions. I don't mind answering the questions but only if the questions are answered more anonymously by filling out the survey form by mail rather than allowing local individuals access to private information about residents in their own communities.
Why don't the local ACS representatives allow people to fill out their own Census forms to hand in or mail in to the regional field office themselves? How is anyone to know their information won't be misrepresented if they are not allowed to take control of filling out their own survey form?
Although by law, ACS representatives can't use any private information they obtain, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, especially if local representatives are surveying their local community. It would more respective of people's privacy to allow them to mail in a Census survey form without any possibilities that information can be maliciously used by local individuals residing in the same communities with those they interview.
The phone call in option is another possibility I'll probably use. Can I request to be interviewed by a representative in the regional office in Seattle instead of the local ACS field representative in my community?
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 4, 2009 6:55 PM
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Unfortunately, by the time the field rep arrives it is too late to fill out a form UNLESS you still have the bar coded one that arrived in the mail. The field rep can fed ex THAT to the center in Indiana. But, forms are not mailed to po boxes. Most of my case load includes communities that have no door to door mail delivery only po boxes.
HOWEVER, you can call Seattle directly 1-800-233-3308 x13 and a Clerk will take you thru the questions. So you are able to do it over the phone with Seattle (or any Regional Office). Please note, once a field rep finishes an interview and clicks "ok", they are unable to see anything they just did except your phone number. That stays on the outside of the case so to speak until it is checked in. If a field rep clicks on the address (all we get are addresses - ACS does NOT go by names at all), all they can do is restart the case. That wipes out anything that was entered previously.
There may be some lousy field reps out there. Most would excuse themselves if they got the address of a neighbor or relative. Most of us quickly enter the info. We have only a certain amt of time allotted for each address (including travel to get there). There are also deadlines for completion of cases. Personally, I have met a lot of incredibly interesting people doing this job and would love to ask them lots more questions about what they do and have done. But I cant.
The best way to think of the hundreds of Census surveys out there is that you are doing something for the greater good (e.g., your community). Best example is that huge study of nurses in the northeast (Boston, area I think). 100,000 nurses were tracked for 30 years! The most comprehensible data re womens health care came from that study. These women submitted to long physical exams and written questions about their health every year. Most of what we know about womens heart attacks came from that study.
Please dont great the lowly but friendly Census field rep with your guns drawn. :>) If you dont want to complete the interview with us, call the Regional Office. And just smile at the temporary Census 2010 enumerators. You could ask for a drivers license to verifiy their badge name. I dont think they will have picture ID. And they wont need to come inside to ask the 10 questions (name, age, sex etc) re the occupants on the 2010 Census.
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 4, 2009 8:12 PM
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BINGO! re: my past post here!
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 17, 2009 7:44 AM
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An update to this thread. I finally completed the grueling census interview (approximately 30 minutes of detailed personal questioning) by phone yesterday at the main 800 number of the regional office in Seattle (I think). It was extension number #13 ?? I had tried to avoid them for awhile but we were pursued endlessly to the point where it was pointless to continue ignoring potential consequences of not doing the American Community Survey.
After the first census visit from the representative, we had already planned to go on vacation for about a week. When we got back, there it was a card on our gate which informed us the ACS representative was required to keep coming back to our residence until we answered the survey. Since it was already Friday, I thought I'd wait until Monday to call in.
No such luck, the ACS representative was at our gate on Saturday morning requesting an appointment for the survey. The rep was understanding about my request to complete the interview by phone to the main office which I did. The questions were quite invasive and the kind of information they requested could be hurtful if it got into the hands of a vengeful party. They want to know all about your finances, citzenship, relationship. Everything most people like to keep private from strangers.
Since there was not much I could about it without being endlessly pursued or possibly facing a $5000 fine and/or criminal charges for not complying, I went ahead and answered the questions truthfully.
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 17, 2009 7:54 AM
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While I was answering the questions, I also made a written list of the kinds of questions they ask. The want to know the race of each member in the household and the (sexual or not) relationship between household members. They even want to know if anyone gave birth in last 12 months. They want to know your citizenship status, they want to know your income and all the sources. They want to know what kind of job you do and how you do it. They want to know what types of insurance you have. What kind of heating source you use, how much you spend. The ownership status of your home or what type of renting arrangements you have. This is only partially from random memory not from my detailed list at this point.
They seem to especially want to know if there are any Latino/Hispanics members in the household. Why do they focus on this ethnic group in particular? I suppose this also has to do with their special interest in citizenship status?
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 17, 2009 8:15 AM
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Maybe this is really a way to out sort and and get rid of illegals
Since Conservatives on this thread are so Gung-ho over not helping our Government.
Since they're being so Anti-American by not participating, they would be considered a potential illegal.
Se habla Espanol?
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 17, 2009 8:16 AM
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"They even want to know if anyone gave birth in last 12 months"
It's a CENSUS
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 17, 2009 9:02 AM
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bookateria-since-2001: "Maybe this is really a way to out sort and and get rid of illegals"
In response, by law the Census takers are supposedly required to keep ALL information confidential. In the back of my mind though, I wonder if this information is being used against people for not only answers on censorship, but personal finances, etc.
I wonder if census takers are reporting suspicions of "illegal activities" when they receive certain answers on their census surveys....
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 17, 2009 9:36 AM
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Uh, why are people acting like there has never been a census before and these questions have never been asked?
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Re: 2010 Census Survey and Your Rights
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Nov 17, 2009 9:41 AM
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Normally the census is every ten years. There's a new development with the "American Community Survey" which is an ongoing census project that takes place throughout the decade. Any address can be randomly chosen on any basis and whoever lives at a randomly selected address is compelled to comply anytime throughout the decade.
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